Gp junior doctor reddit I’m in GP now and in the world of GP, it’s rare to see a single person, I feel like the doctors who do GP are the ones who do it for family, because every practice I’ve worked in, I’ve always been the only one not married no kids. Emphasis on 'highly mobile doctors' because I doubt that many UK docs consider working in NZ for life (or > 1 year for that matter) Lots of potential things to talk about! Link it back to what you wish to do long term e. Once you’re a GP, there is little incentive to since you can pick up a special interest role in virtually any specialty without Most of my friends are from pre-med school/ med-school/ F1/ F2 / GP training. GPs are doctors who have completed their postgraduate medical training, specialising in general practice. small cities to me. 11 of these days of TOOT are due to striking. But a PA can be a GP partner and in charge of salaried GPs? Practice managers usually have management experience). The safety net is the patient’s responsibility. A few things: -For example, a new payment model in British Columbia would pay GP’s 385. ** This subreddit is now closed to new submissions - our new home is /r/doctorsUK ** A community for UK-based doctors to chat about their experiences, share articles and hang out. Your job is listening. Hello! Any GP's on here moved to/ worked in canada? If so, is it a good QOL? And is it possible to do 3-4 days a week like it is in the UK? I like ED & GP but seriously considering GP so I can move to Canada long term. Also is it possible to do occasional ED shifts whilst working as a GP in canada? Thanks 😁 Canadian here. I’ve been fully committed to the strikes and will continue to do so. I keep telling the F1s/F2s that GP is the objectively correct specialty to apply to, and the only reason not to is if you love something else or actively dislike GP (unfortunately for me, I'm both of those things). doi: F2 in GP, really have enjoyed my job overall and think general practice is, on the whole, a good job. I was under the impression UK doctors could pretty much only get into GP/ED/Psych and very rarely surgery. How social you are at work depends on the team and the environment of the surgery - it can really vary quite drastically from practice to practice. Its not uncommon to see partners doing locum shifts. I think this term lead to so many issues, including other hospital staff treating us like children as we are juniors, and I think part of the problem why PA/ANPs/allied HCP treat us as assistants to them/ junior to them (while in reality we are NOT !) Honestly I found reflections such a massive waste of time. 30pm for The practice manager already suggested one - to look at how effectively a general practitioner's time is being used: (1) Audit the reasons for making an appointment to see the doctor and look at the outcomes from each appointment (2) See if the appointment could have been made with some other health professional at the practice (3) Train & put up posters in the reception so Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now Doctors cannot work in GP unless an F2 or a GPST. In terms of working in the nhs, I would say psychiatry. Alternatively I did hear of somebody getting most of the UK GP training recognised and joining the training programme and only having to do 1 year of GP training in NZ but dont quote me on that Tbh the role of gp can be so varied I don’t think you need to spend loads of days in a practise you just need to talk to a few different gps! You might get a bit of idea of the variety of career paths gp can take at gp conferences or courses and careers fairs, check out the gp royal college they should have info too. Average of about 8 sessions per week. DO NOT DO GP Those were the pushes away from GP, but the pull to being a physician was cemented by my first medical job where I learned that even as a very junior doctor, you could sort out pretty sick patients - crashing LVF, cyanosed and moribund - furosemide, nitrates and morphine and 2 hours later they would be sitting up and talking. GP in Ireland is very competitive and highly-sought-after because the working conditions are tolerable (and perhaps even better than NHS GP). I work as a SpR in medicine and A&E, but only part time, as I switched I think that fully qualified, highly trained professional doctors from F1 to ST7/8 should not be called “junior doctors”. Ophthalmology/Derm/Lab - Could make the extra responsibility in FY2 more daunting/difficult, as the knowledge base acquired is quite niche and perhaps less transferrable. Have any GP trainees had there ARCPs yet? Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now. Due to my personal situation and preference I’ll be working in both the US and Canada. Honestly, if you can stick it out and CCT you'll walk into any GP job here, they're super keeno. Work becomes part of your life not the entirety of it. This has been a major bug bear of mine for a while now. 00X or 0. g-clinic days are supposed to end at 6pm, but I usually am out around 4. The HSE is notorious for absolutely chewing up and spitting out junior doctors via an abysmal system. As for medical specialities, I think care of the elderly is very useful and relevant to GP compared to ones like gastro and acute med, as in GP you see a lot of chronic stuff and have to do medication reviews etc. So many GPs go into it for the wrong reasons and are utterly miserable and trapped by the decent salary and their own mortgage. IMT currently and hoping to get into cardio. 000X% of doctors in the UK. true. AMA but please read these Is a GP a junior doctor? A GP is not a junior doctor. Also, not all rotations offer the same set of specialties, so any input as to what to look for is appreciated. That's the way the system is designed and there is supposed to be sufficient variety built into the foundation program such that this becomes a non-issue. All in hours 9-5. Be careful of media numbers in the current environment - different groups have different incentives to make pay seem higher or lower than in reality. Part time salaried, ad-hoc teacher for local medical school, locum, extended access roles. Ngl I would feel like a bit of a tit. Since many here are curious about pay and conditions are like in those countries I thought I might share what I’ll be making and working. Torbay has similar issues. 000 CAD (222. Needless to say the single GP partner who has been a partner for 20+ years in this practice only wears the finest suits and drives a porsche. Medical advice is not to be sought here. You mention GP superpractices but the top only the 1% GP partners are on ~200k. From what I gather, North Devon is a bit ropey with regards the hospital placements, and the GP training patch is pretty huge. Also: a) Most of London isn't posh b) You'll be a GP - no once cares about where you completed your training ** This subreddit is now closed to new submissions - our new home is /r/doctorsUK ** A community for UK-based doctors to chat about their experiences, share articles and hang out. The best work/life specialties IMO include pathology, I see that the job offers are plenty and the paycheck is also fine, but I would like to know and I NEED to know the reality as a GP working doctor. GP is shorter training scheme, you can earn more. Your point about AHPs taking over this basic work is essentially because there are not enough trainee doctors. The public campaign is far less important and was a complete waste of energy with the last set of "Strikes". The honest truth about the ‘coveted locum GP life’. If you don't mind patients telling you what they want, GP Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now. Some different roles such as A&E, triage, administration/Oncall to break up the relentless and draining f2f sessions. It's The thing that bothers me and puts me off studying to become a doctor is the negative attitudes towards the work of the vast majority of junior doctors there. So, I’m quite nervous with my upcoming ARCP prior to ST3. g. Private GP has so much control on your own working hours, on top of that, your hourly rate is crazy, a private GP is one of the richest doctor career. Wife is now a GP and works regular hours, also flexibility for kids. Junior doctors not in training cannot work in a GP practice or become a partner. Doctors need to stop being martyrs - continue your career progression, who gives a shit? Ex-GP trainee who was LTFT. The issue is by the time you The difference between GP and the hospital is that in hospital, patients are sick until proven otherwise; in GP it’s the other way round - well until proven sick. if medicine, then getting used to seeing patients with common acute medical issues and initiating appropriate management and referrals, or if surgically minded then to get used to competently managing common issues surgical patients can experience such as infections and electrolyte disturbances. It is actually disgusting how expensive it is here for anything remotely decent. I am a GP trainee in London - only came back due to having family and commitments. There’s also the issue of lack of specialty training, even worse than SG I believe By that time most of them would be fed up and lose interest in their main specialty and just choose whatever or just remain as a trust grade doctor. I feel a weight has been lifted. Wanted to know if anyone on this Reddit who has a career crossing GP/public health had some pointers . CCT and flee has NEVER been a thing outside the fantasy mind of this Reddit. As you can imagine, this means a hell of a lot of rural areas where you're essentially the village doctor and I guess a lot of people don't like that. In theory, "simple" work should be performed by junior doctors in training roles. In other words, there will be a greater impetus to improve their conditions. Overall a comprehensive and accurate summary. 300 GBP). So very hard to predict exact numbers. I know I'm too late for the round 1 entry for August 2022, and assume that Round 2 will be slim pickings and there may be little choice on location given that competition has gone up Would be weird striking outside GP practices as trainees Fucking lol, I am now picturing a modest picket outside a small rural GP practice consisting of exactly one FY2, who is often the only junior in the practice. LTFT is brilliant. They don’t I am thinking of becoming a doctor in the future but was just wondering what life as uk doctor in foundation training is like? I've read lots of posts and articles saying how hard it is It is definitely worth it - you will get 20, 40, or 60% of your money back depending on the highest rate of income tax you pay. This was in response to a locum who had been working for 5 weeks. The annual leave entitlement for a full-time doctor is as follows, based on a standard working week of five days: On first appointment to the NHS: 27 days. But if you want a career in any hospital specialtyavoid. Even with a portfolio career the likelihood is that GP will form the majority of your work. £150K gross. Dr Robert Gittings graduated from medical school in AMA-I’m a experienced money-motivated locum GP. I know lots of our junior doctors are making the move, though. This encompasses all doctors from grade FY1 - ST9, BBC News asked two junior doctors, at different stages of their careers, to show us their wage slips and explain exactly how much they earn. Definitely go & join the picket at your hospital Lots of specialist registrars in various fields retrain to become general practitioners. It's very admin heavy and after the consultation you have to do your own jobs vs in a hospital where you delegate to juniors. I'm slightly confused as to what things I need to consider while ranking the rotations; I'm confused if I should start with a hospital rotation or a GP rotation. It will and is happening in all facets of medicine, not just GP. I do wish I'd loved GP in my F2, I'd be CCTing now as well, but with respect it was incredibly dull and lonely and I hated the fact that My wife did her GP training in Exeter and East Devon. ( I personally know 5 friends who did so) Less than %20 of most training placements are filled by IMGs (except GP, IMT and psychiatry)* Today I received an email about preferencing for GP rotations. If specifically asked for barriers that make me hesitant to apply: Having 10 minute appointments for an increasingly elderly, frail, polymorbid society. They then transition to consultant workload over time. I’m coming up to the end of GP training now but will be starting Radiology soon. With all due respect to all the FY2s, a year of practicing medicine is probably too early to be able to do it consistently without supervision. the GP trainees, whose reflection burden is so severe and back breaking it legitimately went I would highlight I think you need similar attributes for both. Your last paragraph is unanswerable. GP placements are expanding, with more GP training spent in GP itself rather than hospital specialties, so trainers will be in high demand in the next few years. I’m a GP training currently in an ITP post. GP land is not "the dream" but I suspect is just a lesser nightmare than remaining in much of secondary care. Patience in abundance and a tolerance for working in absolutely broken systems. Unfortunately it depends on job and can change with mere weeks notice, in theory. Most actually married non medics but there were a few that married other doctors. However if you wanna work in private sector, I would say GP. Or check it out in the app stores You are literally talking about the 0. However following GP CCT, people rarely retrain. That's another reason for having longer than 10min appointment slots - to allow for discussion/review by a GP. I've known since F1 that I wanted to be a GP, but during my time during F1/F2, I had encounters with several GP trainees/fully-qualified GPs who'd sat MRCP1+2+PACES and recommended I do so too. Locum GP. 31 votes, 17 comments. My wife and two cousins are both doctors. GP trainees apparently have to do some insane number that boils down to at least one a week and whilst it was not the only pro/con it definitely went in my 'negatives' column for GP training! For CMT (and I presume IMT) you don't actually have to do any. Or check it out in the app stores TOPICS our new home is /r/doctorsUK ** A community for UK-based doctors to chat about their experiences, share articles and hang out. But you can still learn stuff relevant to GP in any of the medical specialities. GP does give a better work life balance compared to surgery, in that you do not do night shifts or weekends unless you want to, you have more control over taking leave if you are a partner compared to battling with rota coordinators in hospitals, and the training is much shorter at only 3 years. My work week alternates between 3. Wife is more of a "portfolio" GP. You won't be super rich, you will be comfortable. Im sold on the idea that prevention is better than cure . My GP practice is a single partner covering 12000 patients with salaried and locums employed. The increased prevalence of GP distress/burnout due to covid-19 has become apparent because the absence of the ability to "just refer" highlights some of the weaknesses and the feeling of being "out of their depth" I allude to. The positives are all fairly obvious and don't really require listing. A GP has a lot more opportunities to earn more as well. After five years’ of completed NHS service: 32 days. 5 days and 4. I’ve had 22 days of TOOT (with 14 being the limit for extension of training). How is it in real life, is there a lot of paper As a GP, you don't have a crowd of juniors to do stuff for you, seeing patients and making decisions on your own sooner, but you have your senior GPs to consult as a trainee. As already mentioned, general practice depends on managing uncertainty. For doctors looking to move to New Zealand as well as highly mobile doctors in the UK who will now require more incentives to stay. 45pm, maybe 5. You might get a GPST as well I guess. 83 votes, 55 comments. whilst I do occasionally socialise with my gp work colleagues my friends circle is mostly non-colleagues. 0X% if not 0. and manage patients with tons of stuff going on. All are welcome to join the discussion! However this is a sub for doctors and we expect medical school topics to go under r/medicalschooluk or a more appropriate sub and non medical questions would probably be filtered to r/AskDocs. Being a GP partner does mean Ultimately a GP will out earn a hospital doctor by a significant margin and much earlier. *Or rather, I’m sure they’ll give you useful knowledge but you don’t need to spend thousands of pounds acquiring it, and you’ll be spending a lot of time learning far more than I'm an F3, currently not working (to focus on hobbies and other stuff), starting GP training in April 2021 (deferred entry from Aug 2020). General practice/A&E - Not ideal as an FY1, as you can't discharge patients and don't enjoy much autonomy. 5 hrs. 5hrs on average is what my work schedule pays, 30-40 hrs is what I actually work when I calculate how much time I work e. Obviously you earn less but GP training (in the GP jobs at least) is obscenely well paid for the actual amount of 'proper' work you have to do. Or even just the things that take longer like new presentations of mental health. There’s an oft-repeated mantra in UK junior doctor circles that Australia is utopia, but in my experience, it just isn’t. 5 days, with a non resident night, and a 1in 8 non-resident weekend. We need our Doctors to understand why we are Striking - and to continue Striking - until the Government meets our demands. Also housing is expensive as is most of Devon due to second home owners and holiday let's. Also option to do something like Diploma in Mental Health alongside GP. Primarily because Canada has a population almost half the size of the UK whilst being larger than the USA (39x larger than the uk). I’m a PGY-3 FM (GP) residency and I finish training in 3 months. I have been doing it for a few years. Currently living at my mums with my wife whilst we save. I am not as up-to-date with this new payment model but as a rule of thumb, any salary reported for physicians in Canada is pre-overhead. The information about our Strikes needs to be targeted at Junior Doctors outside of this forum. Regarding verification, here is my answer to a similar question on the other post : From the junior doctors' handbook: Annual leave will now be stated in days, rather than weeks. In order to become a GP, a doctor will have been a junior If you're worried about a lack of clinical exposure going into GP straight after foundation - don't be. Life is OK. I enjoy general practice , but the more I do clinical medicine , the more I realise that preventative medicine is more appealing to me. . This applies to most professional fees - BMA, 👉 Junior Doctor: The umbrella term ‘junior doctor’ is used to indicate a doctor who has not completed a training programme, whether that is in General Practice or another specialty. 47. How much capital do you think your average junior doctor earning 40-70k in So I don't actually work a set 47. . No one can predict what will happen with GP. The work of a GP is the total opposite of surgery. source: am Irish, moved to UK for training I've been thinking about moving from the shit-show that is IMT + hospital medicine to GP training for some time, and think I'm finally ready to make the switch. There are a few downsides: Although lengthier training and I reckon you would earn more as a GP partner in the long term. ieyamx olh uwnzf uitihvkp ydwr yjgebod cylxjbi pwksdk bqb tyok